Talk:Beginning Lore

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This page is an orphan (no pages link to it) - is it really necessary? - Skeeveo ❯❯❯ Talk 20:24, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

It's linked to in-game when you click the "Lore" button. --Zero » [Talk] 00:11, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Content Gripes and Outdated Lore

Since this page is protected, I can't do much but complain about just how low-quality it is. So, since I can't do anything, I'm going to take this opportunity to be incredibly harsh on whoever wrote this several months ago. Most of the lore is from June of last year, so I'll start with some simple lore inaccuracies:

  1. Firstly, the year is 2562, not 2561. Although, that's not really much of a lore issue, since it also lists the real year.
  2. The Miranian Republic doesn't even have its own page, so it's obviously not important enough to get its own mention.
  3. The Resomi don't exist anymore.
  4. The Joron are the Bogani again, because we all got used to calling them that while the forums were diddling on about name votes and democracy.
  5. Vox aren't stinky, that was Pariahs, which don't exist anymore.
  6. The Marines don't exist aboard the Torch either. They went the way of Vox Pariahs and Resomi.
  7. Cloning IS a thing. But the legality of it is really convoluted because its not formally written and its lore is just decisions made on the spot by the lore manager.
  8. Uplifted animals aren't mentioned anywhere else, at all. They might very well exist, but they sure as hell aren't common knowledge until someone writes them.

In addition to the lore being outdated or wrong in a number of places, I have several gripes about the content and formatting:

  1. The first three words are flat out wrong. This is not easy to read, it's a pain. Although "Turbulent Setting" certainly sums it up.
  2. Too much filler, inconsistent tone, and Jesus Christ the lean towards "casual tone" half the time is killing me.
  3. As Skeeveo mentioned, the page isn't linked to from anywhere else on the wiki, even though you're "Expected to read it before playing"
  4. On the very first bullet point, "(Don't worry this'll be explained)." has a period after it, which is wrong. In fact, parentheses in general are wrong. Pick up a damn stylebook.
  5. A large chunk of the grammar on this page is actually wrong, and it doesn't meet any sort of standard. As a protected page, it should be held to HIGHER standards, not no standards at all.
  6. Once again, a lot of filler sentences that explain things that are already implied or stated. For example, it says that the Torch/EC aren't military like 50 goddamn times; and that mega-corporations are like corporations, aye, no shit corporations are similar to corporations.
  7. "The Journeyman" is a rubbish heading and doesn't convey any information.
  8. Vox don't need their own bullet point in common knowledge, especially when it's almost word-for-word the sentence used to describe them earlier.
  9. The formatting of the page as a whole.
  10. The entire page is supposed to be common knowledge, we don't need another section with like two sentences worth of content using that tagline as well.
  11. Just a crap-load of grammatical errors.
  12. No links to anything except the TCC.

I'm hoping that someone with wiki authority might fix all this, or at least allow someone else to fix it. Because in-game, this is the only lore page the players have access to. It's supposed to represent the basics of our server's lore, not scare people off by going on tangents about pointless details every other sentence, while not even explaining the basic lore adequately. As someone who writes content for a living, looking at this page hurts me, and not being able to make it better hurts me even more. --Zero » [Talk] 20:37, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

To add onto this, the page still suggests that you look at the "lore wiki." While the lore wiki still exists, you should not suggest that anyone goes there. The content is outdated or below-par, and we moved all the lore here anyway. --Zero » [Talk] 20:39, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
I'd like to see it taken out of circulation until it can be properly reviewed and fully re-written, seeing as it is very out of date and does not fit any new standards. - Skeeveo ❯❯❯ Talk 21:00, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
In fact I would like to question the necessity of a page like this considering we have a much better (and unprotected) summary article at Baystation 12 Lore - since we no longer have a lore wiki this page may be completely unnecessary. - Skeeveo ❯❯❯ Talk 21:03, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
I'd agree, aside from the fact that this page is currently linked to from in-game sources. If we can link/merge into Baystation 12 Lore, then I'd like the in-game link to reflect that as well. --Zero » [Talk] 21:15, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
While writing the MOS I never really considered this being an issue (since to my knowledge at the time nothing in-game linked to the wiki-) it'll have to be solved by User:FTangSteve or anybody similarly capable. - Skeeveo ❯❯❯ Talk 21:20, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
On the grammar and standards thing - their are very limited admin-capable editors on the wiki who have to deal with a TON more important stuff. The odds of them getting to grammar edit even a non-protected page is next to none at the moment when there is so much other work to be done. Of course, this wouldn't be a problem if we have more editors, but we simply don't. Bay 12 is not a "huge" community so development - ESPECIALLY with repairs going on - will be slow. Every page is expected to be at the same standard and be consistent with each other. - Skeeveo ❯❯❯ Talk 21:17, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Merge / Delete request

Given the content gripes from the content gripe comment chain - and the fact that we already have a summary article that is more up to date, not an orphan and links to other articles Baystation 12 Lore - that this page either be merged or deleted. I don't see the necessity of it or the need for it to be reference-moderated anymore. - Skeeveo ❯❯❯ Talk 21:06, 7 February 2018 (UTC)